5 Things Our Clients Love About the Five Pine Wealth Difference

admin • April 3, 2023
CDA Idaho

 

Imagine this: You’re starting to get serious about saving for retirement. You want to make sure you’re prepared for this major life transition, so you decide it’s time to hire a financial advisor. On the recommendation of your brother-in-law, you begin a relationship with an advisor—let’s call him Bill—and start to map out your path to retirement. 

During the first year, everything is going great. Bill puts together a portfolio of investments for you and supplies you with a bunch of fancy charts showing you your chances of success. You’re feeling good about the fact that you have a plan to follow! And so you start taking the actions that you and Bill outlined in your plan. 

But after a while, you stop hearing from Bill. You’re not sure if you’re still on the right track to reach your goals. You’re wondering whether recent market events have any bearing on the performance of your portfolio. And when you call Bill to ask these questions, he doesn’t get back to you for an entire week.

If you’ve ever experienced this type of relationship with a financial advisor, you’re not alone. A shocking amount of our clients have come to our firm with stories about feeling ignored or overlooked by their financial advisors. 

In our opinion, this is inexcusable. You deserve better, which is why we’ve committed to a higher level of customer service and communication in our firm. Below are five differences that set the Five Pine Wealth Management team apart:

  1. We approach wealth management holistically
  2. We are fee-only fiduciaries
  3. We are proactive communicators
  4. We believe in long-term, low-cost investment options
  5. We are younger than most other advisors

1. We Approach Wealth Management Holistically

There are “investment guys” a-plenty out there who can help investors manage their money and make trades on their behalf. Holistic financial planners, however, are harder to come by. We differentiate ourselves from those other “investment guys” with our holistic approach and breadth of knowledge within the financial planning realm. 

In our opinion, the “other guys” focus too heavily on return rates and forget that there are real dreams, goals, fears, and needs behind the numbers. By fixating on the numbers, they miss out on creative, more effective opportunities and approaches that will help their clients achieve the real results they’re looking for. 

From our point of view, investments are just one component of a healthy financial plan. 

Sure, they’re certainly important, and managing your portfolio is one of our core services. But things like insurance planning, estate planning, college planning, tax planning, and strategic asset allocation are equally important areas of financial planning. We help with all of these areas, and they’re automatically included in the annual fee our clients pay for our services.

2. We Are Fee-Only Fiduciaries

Lots of “financial advisors” are willing to sell annuities and permanent life insurance policies to anyone who will sign on the dotted line. But we feel strongly about identifying ourselves as fee-only fiduciaries

Being a fiduciary means that we are legally and ethically obligated to place our client’s best interests ahead of our own, so our clients can rest assured that we don’t make recommendations that are a poor fit for their needs.

Additionally, we pride ourselves on having built a fee-only book of business from scratch. Fee-only means that we do not sell financial products such as life insurance policies or annuities to our clients. We also do not collect referral fees or earn commissions on any investments we recommend. 

Beyond being fiduciaries, the fee-only model ensures that we are actually incentivized to work in your best interest. Because when you do well, we do well.

3. We Are Proactive in Our Communication

As holistic financial advisors, we know life happens. And when life happens, your plan might need to change. 

Plus, one of the main reasons we got into this business is because we like people. Developing strong relationships with our clients is one of our core values. While we always welcome calls from our clients, we understand that the phone works both ways. So we promise to stay in touch with you on a yearly basis at a minimum

Annual and semi-annual reviews provide us with more opportunities to identify possible challenges in your plan and make the most of any favorable circumstances that come your way. You can also expect to hear from us with intermittent updates throughout the year so that you’re never in the dark about what we’re doing and how we’re responding to changes in the markets.

4. We Believe in Long-Term, Low-Cost Investment Options

We advocate passive, long-term investing strategies, and are often opposed to using actively managed and potentially tax-inefficient mutual funds. To help our clients keep more of their money, we believe in using ETFs and indexing strategies to keep costs as low as possible without sacrificing performance. (Some of our favorites include Vanguard and BlackRock funds.)

We see value in diversification and utilizing nontraditional assets to help our clients reach their goals. The portfolios we design and manage consist of a mix of publicly traded equities (i.e., stocks), publicly traded fixed-income instruments (i.e., bonds), and private equity/credit investments (i.e., alternative assets). A Five Pine Wealth client’s portfolio may have up to 15% allocated to these non traditional assets, depending on their personal goals and risk tolerance. 

It’s important to note that alternative assets are not always accessible to individual investors, as they typically have a $1 million minimum purchase price. Therefore, many investors can only purchase alternative assets by working with a financial advisor. We believe our commitment to including alternative assets in our portfolios is a huge value-add to our clients.

5. We Are Younger Than Most Other Advisors

In the financial planning world, most advisors are 50 or older . And while advisors certainly need to have experience on their side, there are some serious downsides to working with an older advisor. 

For one, you risk that a financial advisor who is older than you will retire before you do! Then you’re left in the dust, scrambling to develop a new relationship right before you’re about to make one of the biggest transitions of your lifetime.

Secondly, many (not all!) of these older advisors are simply behind the times. They’re missing the mark on issues that are relevant to investors today—issues like income-replacement alternative assets,  the role of Bitcoin in a diversified portfolio, student loan repayment strategies, and the frequent career changes so many people are choosing to make these days. 

As younger advisors, we help our clients take advantage of modern, creative strategies and technology to help them plan for the challenges they’ll need to overcome and reach the goals they’re set on achieving. 

We Choose Our Clients Carefully

At Five Pine Wealth , we don’t work with just anyone. We are not the right fit for day traders or for investors with a market-timer mentality. Our clients don’t engage in frequent buying and selling of shares, and they don’t try to predict what’s going to happen in the markets. 

Instead, we’re best suited to work with long-term investors who understand that markets experience natural cycles of growth and decline. These investors are committed to holding onto their investments—even when prices drop—because they understand that history tells us the markets will eventually go back up.

We prefer to work with individuals and families who recognize they have cognitive and behavioral biases that can negatively impact their investment decisions. While they may naturally experience emotional reactions to market activity, our clients do not allow their financial decisions to be driven by alarming headlines. Instead, they reach out to us first.

The individuals and families we work with are willing to delay gratification because of the opportunity costs associated with not saving for retirement. Our clients understand that to retire well, they must live below their means today—and that their savings rate is more important than their rate of return.

Ultimately, our clients value holistic financial planning. They recognize that proper insurance protection, strategic tax planning, and detailed estate planning are just as important for a healthy financial life as investment management. And finally, our clients care about being good stewards of their wealth so they can leave a lasting legacy behind to their loved ones and charities of their choice.

How to Become a Five Pine Wealth Client

At Five Pine Wealth , we’re a little picky when it comes to choosing our clients. But that’s because we want to ensure that we’re the right fit—both for ourselves and for you! If the Five Pine Wealth difference resonates with you, we invite you to schedule a complimentary meeting with us today. Give us a call at 877.333.1015, email us at info@fivepinewealth.com , or visit our website to learn more about what it’s like to work with us.

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It’s invested in a mix of underlying funds, usually including: Stock funds (equities): These are your growth engines. They tend to go up over time, but they can be volatile. These could be U.S. stock funds or international funds. Bond funds (fixed income): These provide stability and income, but with historically reduced long-term returns. Stable value or cash equivalents: Lower risk, but also lower growth. Most public service 457 plans in the Northwest offer a menu of these options. Some people choose to build their own mix, while others choose a single “all-in-one” fund and let it do the work. This brings us to the most common choice we see… What is a Target-Date Fund? A Target-Date Fund (TDF) is designed to be a one-stop shop. The “date” in the name is the year the fund assumes you will retire. If you plan to hang up the uniform in 2030, you’d likely be in a 2030 fund. A TDF automatically shifts its risk level as you get closer to that date. This is called the glide path . When you are 20 years away from retirement, the fund is aggressive. It buys mostly stocks because you have time to recover from market crashes. As you get closer to the target year, the fund manager automatically “glides” the investments away from risky stocks and into “safer” bonds and cash. TDFs are built for the “average” American worker who relies solely on Social Security and a 401(k), but you aren’t the average worker. You have a LEOFF or PERSI pension. Because your pension acts like a “super bond” (stable, guaranteed income), being too conservative in your 457 might hinder your growth. Conversely, if you’re planning to retire at 53 (common for LEOFF 2) but your fund is target age 65, you might be taking way more risk than you realize. It’s also important to note that two funds with the same year, for example, 2035, can have very different levels of risk depending on the provider. One may still hold 60% in stocks near retirement, while another might be closer to 40%. 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With a Roth, you pay the tax today, but the money grows and comes out tax-free. For high-earners who expect their pension to keep them in a higher tax bracket during retirement, having a “tax-free” bucket of money can be helpful. Coordinate With Your Pension If your LEOFF or PERSI pension covers 70% of your needed income, your 457 can afford to be a bit more aggressive in fighting inflation. If you plan to use your 457 to bridge the gap until you collect Social Security, that money needs to be protected differently. Let’s Take a Look Together At Five Pine Wealth Management, we work with first responders in Washington and Idaho who are approaching retirement and want clarity around their financial picture. We understand how LEOFF Plan 2 and PERSI fit into the bigger picture, and how your 457 can support the retirement you’ve worked hard to build. If you’d like help understanding what you’re invested in, we’d be happy to take a look with you. You can email or call us at 877.333.1015 to schedule. We’d welcome the conversation. You’ve spent your career looking out for the community; let us help you look out for your future. Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) Q: Is a Target-Date Fund enough for my 457 plan? A: For many people, it is, but as you get closer to retirement, it’s important to review whether the fund’s risk level matches your timeline and overall financial picture. Q: Is there a penalty for taking money out before age 59½? A: No. Unlike a 401(k), the 457 plan has no 10% early withdrawal penalty if you leave your employer, making it an ideal tool for first responders retiring in their early 50s. Q: Should I choose a Target-Date Fund or build my own portfolio in a 457? A: Target-date funds offer simplicity, but building your own portfolio allows for more customization. If you have a pension that already provides a stable income, building your own could be a good option.
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Key Takeaways Taking early withdrawals from your 457 while letting your IRA grow can help you build a more balanced retirement plan. First responders with LEOFF or PERSI pensions can use their 457 plan as a bridge between retirement and traditional retirement account access. Rolling your 457 into an IRA at retirement removes penalty-free access to funds before age 59½. Many first responders in Washington and Idaho can realistically retire early. Thanks to pensions like WA LEOFF Plan 2 or ID PERSI, disciplined savings, and a long career of service, retiring at 55 is common. If you've been putting money into a 457 deferred compensation plan, you may be sitting on a sizable balance by the time you retire. As retirement approaches, you may be wondering: “What do I do with my 457 deferred compensation plan?” Many people unintentionally make a costly mistake. They roll their entire 457 balance into an IRA the moment they retire, thinking it's the right move. It might seem logical to combine accounts and keep things simple by moving everything into one IRA. However, this move eliminates a key advantage of a 457 plan: you lose penalty-free access to your money before age 59½. Let’s look at how this works and how you can set up your retirement accounts to stay flexible in your early retirement years. Early Retirement at 55: The Income Gap Problem Whether you're covered by LEOFF Plan 2 or PERSI, retiring around age 55 is entirely realistic. LEOFF Plan 2 members can retire with a full benefit at age 53 (or as early as 50 with 20 years of service and a reduced benefit). Idaho PERSI first responders can retire as early as 50 under the Rule of 80. The years between ages 55 and 59½ are a unique financial period. Your pension might cover a portion of your income needs, but often not everything. Social Security usually starts much later, and if most of your retirement savings are in IRAs, taking out money early can trigger penalties. This is where your 457 plan can be especially helpful. Unlike most retirement accounts, 457 plans let you take out money without the 10% early withdrawal penalty once you separate from service. This rule gives you a helpful bridge between retiring and the time when traditional retirement accounts become easier to access. You lose this benefit if you move your money into an IRA too soon. If your pension doesn't cover all your needs and you rolled everything into an IRA, you might face penalties or be unable to access your money. This early-retirement gap is exactly what good 457 planning can help you avoid. 457 Plan Withdrawal Rules Once you separate from service, whether you quit, get laid off, or retire, you can start taking 457 withdrawals from your 457 plan without a 10% penalty, no matter your age. Whether you're 55, 45, or even 35, the penalty doesn't apply. If you move money from your 401(k) or another account into your 457 and then withdraw it, that money loses the 457's penalty-free status. It’s now treated like IRA money and is subject to the 10% early withdrawal penalty. Only the original 457 money stays penalty-free. You will still owe ordinary income taxes on every withdrawal from a traditional 457, just like an IRA. The key difference is that you don’t have to pay the extra 10% penalty, which can save you thousands of dollars. Should I Roll My 457 Into an IRA? Now that you know the withdrawal rules, you might be asking yourself, “Should I roll my 457 into an IRA?” This is an important question, and the answer is: it depends. Usually, moving everything at once isn’t the best idea. Many people roll their entire 457 into an IRA at retirement because it’s often suggested as a way to “consolidate” and “simplify.” While there are legitimate reasons to roll some money into an IRA, doing it all at once at age 55 means you lose your penalty-free income bridge. A few of the advantages of rolling some money into an IRA are: More investment options Estate planning flexibility Roth conversion strategies A better strategy for most first responders retiring around 55 is to split your 457 balance into two parts, or “buckets,” each with its own role in your retirement plan: Bucket 1: Use your 457 account for early-retirement cash flow. This is the money you'll live on from age 55 to 59½ (or whenever your pension plus other income is sufficient). The 457 allows penalty-free withdrawals at any time, so you control both the amount and timing of distributions. This bucket bridges the gap until your other income starts coming in. Bucket 2: Roll into an IRA for long-term growth. Once you've determined how much you need for the early years, the rest can be rolled into a traditional IRA. The IRA bucket offers more investment choices and greater flexibility for estate planning or Roth conversion. Here’s an example: Jason is a firefighter retiring at 55 from Washington with $300,000 in his 457. His LEOFF Plan 2 pension covers most of his expenses but leaves a $1,500 per month gap. Instead of rolling everything to an IRA, he keeps $90,000 in the 457, which covers about five years of that gap at $1,500/month, and rolls the remaining $210,000 into a traditional IRA. The $90,000 stays accessible, penalty-free, and the $210,000 continues to grow. By the time he turns 59½, the IRA restrictions are gone, and he hasn't paid any unnecessary penalties. Deferred Compensation Rollover: What You Need to Know If you decide to roll part of your 457 into an IRA, the process is simple. You can move your 457 into another retirement account, like a traditional IRA, Roth IRA, 401(k), 403(b), or another 457 plan. There are a few things to keep in mind: Direct rollover is the best option. Have your 457 plan send the money straight to your IRA provider. If you get the check yourself, you have 60 days to put it into your IRA, and your employer will withhold 20% for taxes. If you miss the 60-day deadline, it will be treated as a taxable withdrawal. Roth conversions are possible, but watch the tax hit. You can convert your 457 to a Roth IRA, but be careful about taxes. If you do this soon after retiring, your income might be lower, which could make it a good time for a Roth conversion. Just make sure not to convert everything at once without checking the tax impact. Putting IRA money back into your 457 is usually not a good idea. Once IRA or other retirement plan money goes into your 457, it loses the penalty-free withdrawal benefit. Only do this if you have a very specific reason. Washington's DCP and Idaho's PERSI Choice 401(k) have their own rules. Washington state's Deferred Compensation Program (DCP) is administered by the Department of Retirement Systems (DRS). Idaho first responders may have the PERSI Choice 401(k) as well as other 457 plans. Be sure you know which accounts you're dealing with before starting any rollovers. Here are two helpful resources: Washington DRS (DCP information) Idaho PERSI A Note on Taxes and Required Minimum Distributions Even if you don’t pay a penalty, you still need to think about taxes. Every dollar you take from a traditional 457 counts as regular income for that year. If you're not careful with how much you withdraw, you could end up in a higher tax bracket, especially if your pension income is already high. This is one reason the bucket approach is helpful: you can control how much you withdraw from your 457 each year and keep your taxable income in a comfortable range. It’s also important to know that required minimum distributions from traditional 457 accounts begin at age 73 or 75, depending on when you were born. Beginning in 2024, Roth 457(b) accounts in governmental plans became exempt from RMDs under the SECURE 2.0 Act. This is another reason to think about whether Roth contributions or conversions are right for you. Talk With Us Before Rolling Your 457 The 457 plan is a powerful tool, and rolling it into an IRA without careful thought means losing the feature that makes it so valuable for retirees. At Five Pine Wealth Management, we help many first responders and public employees in Washington and Idaho. We know the ins and outs of WA LEOFF Plan 2, Idaho PERSI, deferred compensation plans, and the unique challenges of retiring earlier than most people. If you're within 10 years of retirement, or if you're already retired and want to make sure your money is set up the right way, we'd be happy to help. Call us at 877.333.1015 or email info@fivepinewealth.com. Before making a decision about your 457 rollover, let’s make sure your retirement accounts are working together as they should be. Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) Q: Does a 457 rollover to an IRA count as a taxable event? A: A direct rollover from a traditional 457 to a traditional IRA is not taxable. Q: Can I take money out of my 457 while I'm still working? A: Generally, no. 457 plans don't allow withdrawals while you're still employed, except for very limited exceptions (such as an unforeseeable emergency). The penalty-free access kicks in once you separate from service. Q: What happens to my 457 if I roll it into an IRA and then need money before age 59½?  A: You lose the 457's penalty-free protection. If you roll 457 funds into a traditional IRA, you lose the flexibility of penalty-free early withdrawals and become subject to a 10% early withdrawal penalty